Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable · oQ8-fp16-mtp — a Novaeon.Studio build
A vision-capable, hard-reasoning 27B dense model for Apple Silicon — with an MTP head that works under 8-bit. This is an oMLX oQ8 (near-uniform 8-bit, sensitive tensors fp16) quantisation of DavidAU/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Cold-Fusion-735-882-Heretic-Uncensored-NM-DAU (Apache-2.0), a multi-stage Cold-Fusion + Fable-Fusion merge, repacked for the Mac in oMLX-native format. Built, tuned, and benchmarked on an Apple M5 Max (128 GB) by Novaeon.Studio.
Why this build exists: we wanted a local model that is (a) a strong reasoner, (b) multimodal, and (c) fast enough to be usable as a dense 27B on a Mac. The native MTP head is the lever for (c) — and unlike most 8-bit repacks, this one's MTP survived quantisation and more than doubles decode. Everything in the "measured" section below is from our hardware; everything else is attributed.
| Base model | DavidAU/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Cold-Fusion-735-882-Heretic-Uncensored-NM-DAU (Apache-2.0) |
| Architecture | qwen3_5 dense hybrid — GatedDeltaNet linear attention + interleaved full attention · vision encoder |
| Quantization | oQ8, near-uniform 8-bit · router/sensitive weights float16 · ~8.59 effective bpw · ~28.4 GB on disk |
| MTP head | Native, mtp_num_hidden_layers: 1 · 29 mtp.* tensors preserved in the oQ8 — and it accelerates decode |
| Alignment | Inherited from the base model, which has had its default safety behaviour reduced (see Intended use & limitations) |
| Context | 262,144 native · vision preserved |
| Engine | oMLX (Apple MLX) — VLM engine |
Best for & why it's here
Intended use: research and private evaluation — creative writing, roleplay, security research and vision tasks. Apply your own safety layer before production use. A companion model, not a throughput workhorse.
Why we published it: a 27B with an intact vision tower and a working MTP head (+~115% decode). It's dense, so slower than our A3B seat (~26 tok/s) — we ship it as the selectable vision model rather than the default agent.
Highlights
- Behaviour inherited from the base. The base card reports a low decline rate on its own safety-prompt evaluation (0/100 declined) at KL divergence 0.0535; our own probes on these quantised weights also returned zero declined requests.
- Working MTP → +115% decode. The native multi-token-prediction head is not an inert graft: under oQ8 it sustains real draft acceptance. 26.2 tok/s with draft-6 vs 12.2 tok/s with MTP off.
- Top-of-class reasoning for its size. The base is the first model of its size/type to breach ARC-C 0.735 in 8-bit (and 0.719 in 4-bit) — well clear of the Qwen3.5/3.6/3.8 27B-class baselines.
- "TURBO" thinking budget. The base's TURBO treatment cuts reasoning-token spend to roughly 1/2 – 1/10 of a standard thinking model, which is what makes a 26 tok/s dense 27B practical for interactive use.
- Vision intact. Multimodal (text + image → text); the vision tower is preserved from the base.
Measured on our hardware (Apple M5 Max 128 GB · oMLX)
MTP speculative decoding
| Configuration | Decode (tok/s) |
|---|---|
| MTP off | 12.2 |
MTP on, draft-8 |
17.9 |
MTP on, draft-6 (optimal) |
26.2 |
Standalone run (our serving seat unloaded), 220-token generation, thinking off. +115% over MTP-off — i.e. the head is doing real speculative work under 8-bit, not idling.
Scope note (honest): these throughput numbers and the safety-prompt probes are ours. We did not run full IFEval / agentic suites against this build — so we don't quote any. The accuracy numbers below belong to the base model and are attributed as such.
Base-model benchmarks
In-class ARC-Challenge comparison (mxfp8), benchmarks by Nightmedia, measured on the base model:
| Model (mxfp8) | ARC-C |
|---|---|
| Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable (this build's base) | 0.735 |
| Qwen3.6-27B | 0.647 |
| Qwen3.8-27B | 0.591 |
| Qwen3.6-35B-A3B | 0.581 |
| Qwen3.5-27B | 0.557 |
Full seven-benchmark sweep on the base:
| Precision | arc_c | arc_e | boolq | hellaswag | openbookqa | piqa | winogrande |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| mxfp8 | 0.735 | 0.882 | 0.917 | 0.832 | 0.530 | 0.837 | 0.785 |
| mxfp4 | 0.719 | 0.887 | 0.916 | 0.821 | 0.524 | 0.831 | 0.786 |
Reproduced from the base model card / Nightmedia benchmark runs. These were measured on the base weights, not on this oQ8 repack.
Other base-card highlights (credit DavidAU): multi-stage Cold-Fusion + Fable-Fusion-711 fine-tune/merge; three reasoning modes (xhigh — the default — plus medium and low); "TURBO" reduced-thinking-token treatment.
Optimal oMLX settings (figured out empirically)
We swept the tuning levers on this build. Because the native MTP head genuinely accelerates decode under oQ8, the optimal profile is MTP-on with ANE-prefill off — with a working MTP, ANE-prefill's dispatch overhead is a net loss.
| Setting | Value | Why |
|---|---|---|
mtp_enabled |
true | native MTP accelerates decode (+115%) — real speculative acceptance under oQ8 |
mtp_num_draft_tokens |
6 | swept 6/8 → 6 optimal (26.2 vs 17.9 tok/s) |
qwen35_ane_prefill_enabled |
false | net-regresses end-to-end when MTP is active (dispatch overhead) |
turboquant_kv_enabled / turboquant_kv_bits |
true / 8 | holds decode up as context grows; tiny KV (hybrid attention) |
qwen35_oq_a8_enabled |
false | A8 activations hurt long-context decode in testing |
dflash_enabled |
false | net-regressed decode in A/B |
~/.omlx/model_settings.json entry{
"max_context_window": 262144,
"mtp_enabled": true,
"mtp_num_draft_tokens": 6,
"qwen35_ane_prefill_enabled": false,
"turboquant_kv_enabled": true,
"turboquant_kv_bits": 8.0,
"turboquant_skip_last": true,
"qwen35_oq_a8_enabled": false,
"dflash_enabled": false
}
How it was built: oMLX admin oQ conversion with oq_level: 8, dtype: float16, and — critically — preserve_mtp: true. Without that flag the mtp.* tensors are dropped and the speculative head is gone; with it, all 29 MTP tensors ride along and oMLX reports mtp_compatible: true.
On the architecture: qwen3_5 dense hybrid — most layers use GatedDeltaNet linear attention with periodic full-attention layers interleaved. Only the full-attention layers carry a growing KV cache, so memory stays modest even far into the 256k window.
Quickstart
# oMLX (recommended, Apple Silicon)
omlx serve NovaeonStudio/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Heretic-oQ8-fp16-mtp --port 8000
# then hit the OpenAI-compatible endpoint at http://127.0.0.1:8000/v1
# mlx-vlm
pip install -U mlx-vlm
python -m mlx_vlm.generate --model NovaeonStudio/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Heretic-oQ8-fp16-mtp \
--max-tokens 4096 --temperature 0.6 --top-p 0.95 \
--prompt "A snail climbs 3m by day, slips 2m by night, in a 10m well. How many days to escape?"
Recommended inference parameters
temperature 0.6 · top_p 0.95 · top_k 20 · reasoning model (emits <think>; set enable_thinking: false for plain answers) · parse and strip <think>…</think> for end users. For long-form / creative work the base author suggests the xhigh reasoning mode (the default); drop to medium or low when you want speed over depth.
Intended use & limitations
The base model has had its default safety behaviour reduced by a post-training weight edit (done by the base authors, not by us). Practically:
- It is less likely to decline requests on topic alone and does not add warnings on its own.
- The base author notes it may still need an explicit instruction about tone, explicitness or format for some content.
- It is intended for research and private evaluation; apply your own safety layer before production use, and comply with the laws and platform terms that apply to you.
Attribution & license
- Base model:
DavidAU/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Cold-Fusion-735-882-Heretic-Uncensored-NM-DAU— Apache-2.0, by DavidAU. Multi-stage Cold-Fusion + Fable-Fusion merge on the Qwen3.8 27B family. - Benchmarks (ARC/etc.): Nightmedia, measured on the base model.
- This quantization & serving profile: Novaeon.Studio, 2026. Released under Apache-2.0, same as the base.
This is an independent community quantization. It is not endorsed by DavidAU, p-e-w, or the Qwen authors. All credit for the model's capabilities belongs to them.
@misc{novaeon2026qwen3827bturbofableoq8,
title = {Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable oQ8-fp16-mtp: an oMLX build for Apple Silicon},
author = {Novaeon.Studio},
year = {2026},
note = {Quantization of DavidAU/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Cold-Fusion-735-882-Heretic-Uncensored-NM-DAU},
url = {https://huggingface.co/NovaeonStudio/Qwen3.8-27B-TURBO-Fable-Heretic-oQ8-fp16-mtp}
}
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